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19 Sep 2008
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On the validity of representing hurricanes as Carnot heat engine
Abstract. It is argued, on the basis of detailed critique of published literature, that the existing thermodynamic theory of hurricanes, where it is assumed that the hurricane power is formed due to heat input from the ocean, is not physically consistent, as it comes in conflict with the first and second laws of thermodynamics. A quantitative perspective of describing hurricane energetics as that of an adiabatic atmospheric process occurring at the expense of condensation of water vapor that creates drop of local air pressure, is outlined.
How to cite. Makarieva, A. M., Gorshkov, V. G., and Li, B.-L.: On the validity of representing hurricanes as Carnot heat engine, Atmos. Chem. Phys. Discuss., 8, 17423–17437, https://doi.org/10.5194/acpd-8-17423-2008, 2008.
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AC: Author comment | RC: Referee comment | SC: Short comment | EC: Editor comment
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AC S7325: 'Response to preliminary criticisms', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 20 Sep 2008
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RC S7915: 'Review ', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Oct 2008
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AC S7947: 'Response to Review of Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 04 Oct 2008
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RC S8170: 'Follow-up', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Oct 2008
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AC S8193: 'Response to Follow-Up by Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 13 Oct 2008
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AC S9182: 'Final Response: Heat Release to Space', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 16 Nov 2008
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AC S8193: 'Response to Follow-Up by Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 13 Oct 2008
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RC S8170: 'Follow-up', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Oct 2008
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AC S7947: 'Response to Review of Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 04 Oct 2008
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RC S7915: 'Review ', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Oct 2008
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SC S7609: 'Latent work', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 29 Sep 2008
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SC S8318: 'Motion from condensation', Semen Sherman, 17 Oct 2008
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AC S8340: 'Latent work: Convective potential energy', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 18 Oct 2008
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AC S8340: 'Latent work: Convective potential energy', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 18 Oct 2008
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SC S8318: 'Motion from condensation', Semen Sherman, 17 Oct 2008
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SC S8164: 'The novel hurricane physics', Andrei Nefiodov, 11 Oct 2008
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RC S8531: 'Review ', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Oct 2008
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AC S8904: 'Condensation as Air Circulation Driver', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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RC S9081: 'Extraordinary novel atmosphere physics', Anonymous Referee #2, 13 Nov 2008
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RC S9081: 'Extraordinary novel atmosphere physics', Anonymous Referee #2, 13 Nov 2008
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SC S11826: 'Considerations of turbulent friction', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 22 Mar 2009
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AC S8904: 'Condensation as Air Circulation Driver', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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RC S8627: 'This paper is incoherent', Anonymous Referee #3, 29 Oct 2008
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AC S8635: 'Response to Referee #3', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 30 Oct 2008
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AC S8635: 'Response to Referee #3', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 30 Oct 2008
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SC S8669: 'The Sun does not orbit around the Earth.', Paulo Nobre, 30 Oct 2008
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SC S8916: 'paper contains bad physics', Antoon Meesters, 10 Nov 2008
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AC S8923: 'Bad physics: Latent heat does not warm', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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SC S8979: 'latent heat in the atmosphere', Antoon Meesters, 11 Nov 2008
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AC S8998: 'Latent heat is irrelevant', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 12 Nov 2008
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AC S8998: 'Latent heat is irrelevant', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 12 Nov 2008
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SC S8979: 'latent heat in the atmosphere', Antoon Meesters, 11 Nov 2008
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AC S8931: 'On carelessness and responsibility', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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SC S9060: 'dissipative engine etc.', Antoon Meesters, 12 Nov 2008
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SC S9060: 'dissipative engine etc.', Antoon Meesters, 12 Nov 2008
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SC S8953: 'The "subtle" issue of perpetuum mobile', Semen Sherman, 11 Nov 2008
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AC S11647: 'Comment on the dissipative heat engine', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 15 Mar 2009
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AC S11647: 'Comment on the dissipative heat engine', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 15 Mar 2009
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AC S9342: 'Final Response to Dr. Meesters', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 20 Nov 2008
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AC S11254: 'Final Response: List of Revisions', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009
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AC S11260: 'Revised manuscript, part I', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009
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AC S11275: 'Revised manuscript, part II', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009
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AC S8923: 'Bad physics: Latent heat does not warm', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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AC S12153: 'Appeal to the ACP executive committee', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 02 May 2009
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EC S12168: 'Editor Report', Peter Haynes, 04 May 2009
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EC S12406: 'Final Editor Comment (ACP Exec. Editors)', Ulrich Pöschl, 14 Oct 2009
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EC S12426: 'Appendices 1 to 7', Ulrich Pöschl, 15 Oct 2009
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EC S12426: 'Appendices 1 to 7', Ulrich Pöschl, 15 Oct 2009
Status: closed
Status: closed
AC: Author comment | RC: Referee comment | SC: Short comment | EC: Editor comment
- Printer-friendly version
- Supplement
-
AC S7325: 'Response to preliminary criticisms', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 20 Sep 2008
-
RC S7915: 'Review ', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Oct 2008
-
AC S7947: 'Response to Review of Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 04 Oct 2008
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RC S8170: 'Follow-up', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Oct 2008
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AC S8193: 'Response to Follow-Up by Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 13 Oct 2008
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AC S9182: 'Final Response: Heat Release to Space', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 16 Nov 2008
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AC S8193: 'Response to Follow-Up by Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 13 Oct 2008
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RC S8170: 'Follow-up', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Oct 2008
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AC S7947: 'Response to Review of Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 04 Oct 2008
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RC S7915: 'Review ', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Oct 2008
-
SC S7609: 'Latent work', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 29 Sep 2008
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SC S8318: 'Motion from condensation', Semen Sherman, 17 Oct 2008
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AC S8340: 'Latent work: Convective potential energy', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 18 Oct 2008
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AC S8340: 'Latent work: Convective potential energy', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 18 Oct 2008
-
SC S8318: 'Motion from condensation', Semen Sherman, 17 Oct 2008
-
SC S8164: 'The novel hurricane physics', Andrei Nefiodov, 11 Oct 2008
-
RC S8531: 'Review ', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Oct 2008
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AC S8904: 'Condensation as Air Circulation Driver', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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RC S9081: 'Extraordinary novel atmosphere physics', Anonymous Referee #2, 13 Nov 2008
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RC S9081: 'Extraordinary novel atmosphere physics', Anonymous Referee #2, 13 Nov 2008
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SC S11826: 'Considerations of turbulent friction', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 22 Mar 2009
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AC S8904: 'Condensation as Air Circulation Driver', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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RC S8627: 'This paper is incoherent', Anonymous Referee #3, 29 Oct 2008
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AC S8635: 'Response to Referee #3', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 30 Oct 2008
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AC S8635: 'Response to Referee #3', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 30 Oct 2008
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SC S8669: 'The Sun does not orbit around the Earth.', Paulo Nobre, 30 Oct 2008
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SC S8916: 'paper contains bad physics', Antoon Meesters, 10 Nov 2008
-
AC S8923: 'Bad physics: Latent heat does not warm', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
-
SC S8979: 'latent heat in the atmosphere', Antoon Meesters, 11 Nov 2008
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AC S8998: 'Latent heat is irrelevant', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 12 Nov 2008
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AC S8998: 'Latent heat is irrelevant', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 12 Nov 2008
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SC S8979: 'latent heat in the atmosphere', Antoon Meesters, 11 Nov 2008
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AC S8931: 'On carelessness and responsibility', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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SC S9060: 'dissipative engine etc.', Antoon Meesters, 12 Nov 2008
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SC S9060: 'dissipative engine etc.', Antoon Meesters, 12 Nov 2008
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SC S8953: 'The "subtle" issue of perpetuum mobile', Semen Sherman, 11 Nov 2008
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AC S11647: 'Comment on the dissipative heat engine', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 15 Mar 2009
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AC S11647: 'Comment on the dissipative heat engine', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 15 Mar 2009
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AC S9342: 'Final Response to Dr. Meesters', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 20 Nov 2008
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AC S11254: 'Final Response: List of Revisions', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009
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AC S11260: 'Revised manuscript, part I', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009
-
AC S11275: 'Revised manuscript, part II', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009
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AC S8923: 'Bad physics: Latent heat does not warm', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008
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AC S12153: 'Appeal to the ACP executive committee', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 02 May 2009
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EC S12168: 'Editor Report', Peter Haynes, 04 May 2009
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EC S12406: 'Final Editor Comment (ACP Exec. Editors)', Ulrich Pöschl, 14 Oct 2009
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EC S12426: 'Appendices 1 to 7', Ulrich Pöschl, 15 Oct 2009
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EC S12426: 'Appendices 1 to 7', Ulrich Pöschl, 15 Oct 2009
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A. M. Makarieva
CAU-UCR International Center for Ecology and Sustainability, University of California, Riverside, CA 92521, USA
Theoretical Physics Division, Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, 188300, Gatchina, St. Petersburg, Russia
V. G. Gorshkov
CAU-UCR International Center for Ecology and Sustainability, University of California, Riverside, CA 92521, USA
Theoretical Physics Division, Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, 188300, Gatchina, St. Petersburg, Russia
B.-L. Li
CAU-UCR International Center for Ecology and Sustainability, University of California, Riverside, CA 92521, USA