Articles | Volume 24, issue 19
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-24-11157-2024
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A novel method for detecting tropopause structures based on the bi-Gaussian function
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- Final revised paper (published on 07 Oct 2024)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-345', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Apr 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Kun Zhang, 19 Jun 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-345', Anonymous Referee #3, 17 Apr 2024
- AC3: 'Reply on RC2', Kun Zhang, 19 Jun 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-345', Anonymous Referee #2, 30 Apr 2024
- AC2: 'Reply on RC3', Kun Zhang, 19 Jun 2024
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AR by Kun Zhang on behalf of the Authors (19 Jun 2024)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (24 Jun 2024) by Marc von Hobe
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ED: Publish subject to minor revisions (review by editor) (12 Jul 2024) by Marc von Hobe
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ED: Publish as is (12 Aug 2024) by Marc von Hobe
AR by Kun Zhang on behalf of the Authors (20 Aug 2024)
This work uses a novel method to detect tropopause especially the double tropopause and shows the statistics of the tropopause using this new method. The definition of the tropopause is an important question in the upper troposphere lower stratosphere dynamics and chemistry, and the information presented in this paper is very quantitively and clear. However, the discrepancy between this new method and existing method seems to be too large and I suggest the authors show more clarification in section 3, please see major comments for details. I suggest accepting this paper after resolving this issue.
Major comments:
Line 281-282: “of which the largest proportion (11384 profiles) is identified as DT by bi-Gaussian method but ST by LRT”, this result is astonishing. According to the WMO double tropopause definition, ‘If the average lapse rate above this "first tropopause" between any level and all higher levels within 1 km exceeds 3°C/km, then a "second tropopause" is defined by the same criterion as the first’, I checked the significance test in section 2 and only find that “the slope is not less than 0.5°C/km”, is it a reason for this very different result between the bi-Gaussian method and LRT?
Figure 8a: I suggest also showing ratio (contradictory results/ all observation of this station) in addition to population.
line 287: ‘peak at 0.5… peak at -0.5’: I find it difficult to understand this normalized height. Does this mean that for all first DT, the altitude is -0.5, and for all second DT, the altitude is 0.5? Could you please add more explanation to the text? Or maybe do not define ‘0.5’ and ‘-0.5’, just use text ‘first DT’ and ‘second DT’, because 0.5 maybe misleading, looks like 0.5 km.
Line 288 ‘the bimodality become gradually unobvious poleward’: in figure 8a, it looks like that the DT events happens more frequently at higher latitude, but the bimodality is not very clear? Could this be a result of overestimating DT events over higher latitude? Could you please add more discussion on this result?
Minor comments:
Figures 1, 9, 10, 11: please add longitude and latitude to your map
Figures 6, 8, 9, 10: text is blur
Line 9-11: I would say ‘the tropopause is an important transition layer, and can be a diagnostic of .. ’
Line 23-24: ‘in the latitude range [16°N, 50°N] ‘ and ‘at mid-latitudes [30°N, 40°N]’: please use the same format. This problem in also in lines 300-308.
Line 41: ‘, climate model simulations’: replace ‘,’ into ‘and’
Line 58: ‘buoyancy frequency N has been introduced’, not ‘introduced’ because it is already defined earlier. It is just ‘used’.
Line 66: ‘from different monsoon circulation systems, such as the Asian summer monsoon and polar vortex..’, polar vortex is not a monsoon circulation system
Line 101: ‘as described in detail in the literature (Guo et al., 2016)’
Line 102: ‘representing an excellent opportunity’, sounds wired, consider use ‘providing an excellent opportunity.’
Table 1: incorporate the most important information in the text. For example, mention that the vertical resolution is 5-8 m when saying ‘higher vertical resolution than reanalysis’.
Line 110: ‘there are 37 vertical layers from 1000 hPa to 1 hPa’: what is the vertical resolution over the levels of interest in this paper?
Line 119: between the upper (stratosphere) and lower (troposphere) parts: this is ambiguous, consider just say between the stratosphere and troposphere, or stratosphere (upper altitude) and troposphere (lower altitude).
Line 125: ‘in view of’ this sentence is blur. The three sentences in this paragraph are: ‘in view of the fact.. in addition’ are both a description previous works, but ‘ next’ follows by the work in this paper. This logic flow does not make sense.
Section 2.3.1 the title is ‘tropical tropopause layer’, but in figure 2 it is a subtropical station
Line 326: ‘Bi-Gaussian method prefers to define higher and colder temperature inversion layer as DTH2, which leads to an increase in the occurrence frequency and thickness of DT’: could you explain more about this logic chain?
Line 344: ‘tropopause height has an increasing trend under global warming’ I doubt this value may not be very large, could you please quantify it according to the estimation in your reference?
Line 345: ‘the change trend’ ‘trend’ is misleading with the trend in the last paragraph. It sounds like a trend changing with time.
Line 365: ‘(Buchart, 2022)’ this citation is not included in the reference. I didn’t check the full reference list and the authors should double check it to make sure this mistake does not happen again.
Section 5 : I suggest use another name instead of ‘discussion’, since this is an important part of this paper, not a discussion.