Articles | Volume 23, issue 1
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-23-251-2023
© Author(s) 2023. This work is distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
Strong particle production and condensational growth in the upper troposphere sustained by biogenic VOCs from the canopy of the Amazon Basin
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- Final revised paper (published on 13 Jan 2023)
- Preprint (discussion started on 08 Aug 2022)
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RC1: 'Comment on acp-2022-530', Anonymous Referee #1, 23 Aug 2022
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Lixia Liu, 12 Nov 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on acp-2022-530', Eimear Dunne, 09 Sep 2022
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Lixia Liu, 12 Nov 2022
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AR by Lixia Liu on behalf of the Authors (12 Nov 2022)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (15 Nov 2022) by Martina Krämer
RR by Anonymous Referee #1 (15 Nov 2022)
RR by Eimear Dunne (22 Nov 2022)
ED: Publish as is (30 Nov 2022) by Martina Krämer
ED: Publish as is (30 Nov 2022) by James Allan (Executive editor)
AR by Lixia Liu on behalf of the Authors (10 Dec 2022)
Manuscript
This manuscript compares simulations from the WRF-Chem model along with field-campaign data to study nucleation and growth in the upper troposphere above the Amazon. The authors conclude that BVOCs from the Amazon, transported through deep convection to the UT, are key to nucleation and growth in this UT region. I have several issues that I feel need to be addressed prior to final publication.
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Why did this manuscript need to be as short as it is? I would appreciate at least the key methods being moved to the main text. It was strange to need to go to the SI to find out what the “binary nucleation” scheme was given that this is a nucleation & growth manuscript (and the findings greatly depend on the initial nucleation scheme).
I believe that organics being the key missing ingredient in growing particles to CCN sizes in the UT above the Amazon is likely a robust finding (achieved through closure for both OA mass and CCN number). However, I do not believe that the findings about the role of organics-only nucleation are robust, and I believe these findings are overstated. The base WRF-Chem simulations had only a single, very old binary nucleation “scheme” (Wexler 1994 only gives the critical H2SO4 concentration required for nucleation to initiate, one still needs to assume a nucleation rate!). No recent binary or ternary schemes (e.g., Dunne) were investigated, nor organic-sulfuric nucleation (e.g., Riccobono with the Yu temperature correction). How can we say with confidence that organics-only nucleation dominates in the UT above the Amazon? We can’t. The fractional increases in the CN and CCN concentrations due to the organics-only scheme is entirely dependent on Wexler 1994 being the starting point. Please soften these findings to have the effect of “we find the organics-only nucleation can reproduce CN and CCN concentrations, but in the absence of testing other schemes, we cannot say definitively if organics-only nucleation dominates in the UT above the Amazon.”
Throughout the manuscript, values of concentrations, rates-per-volume, and the condensation sink are given without stating if the values are for local temperature and pressure or at STP. This information is critical since a lot of the values are for 8 km, far from STP (and sometimes are put next to mixing ratios that do not depend on T&P).
L190: 1e^-3 cm^-3 s^-1. Is this supposed to be 1x10^-3 cm^-3 s^-1 (or equivalently 1E-3 cm^-3 s^-1)? Very weird to use base e for scientific notation.