Articles | Volume 26, issue 4
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-26-2465-2026
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Low and consistent asymmetry parameters in Arctic and mid-latitude cirrus
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This is an interesting study of considerable merit for its measurements of an important single scattering parameter of cirrus in a location where few measurements have previously been made. The asymmetry parameter is of secondary importance to the optical depth for calculating cloud reflectivity. It is nonetheless important to get right, as existing uncertainties can lead to errors of up to a factor of two.
I have some rather deep concerns about the analyses however, generally with regards to the aspect that the measurement techniques seem insufficiently justified, and also the reported results appear to be implausible.
Working in order through the paper:
l. 116 A threshold of 0.1 ms is applied to remove "shattering events". Some justification seems necessary here. Is there a distinct mode in the interarrival times that would suggest there is a shattering mode? How can it be known that such events are not a result of natural turbulent clustering of particles, a well known phenomenon in clouds? If such events were included, would it affect the calculated values of g, optical depth, and all the other microphysical parameters? What I suggest here is plotting a spectrum of interarrival times, logarithmically binned, on a log-log plot (i.e. d n/dlog(tau)). If the spectrum has the property of scale invariance, namely the slope is nearly constant across interarrival times, including 0.1 ms, then the physics governing interarrival times at 0.1 ms should be anticipated to be the same at any other scale. If there is a scale break or distinct mode, then a better argument can be made that such filtering is justified.
l. 131 Baker and Lawson (2006) focused on mid-latitude clouds, not Arctic clouds. The premise of this submission here is to consider latitudinal variations in microphysical and optical properties. What justification is there that the power-law behavior identified here for relating mass to area, obtained at mid-latitudes, can be applied to the Arctic?
l. 154 The data is stated to be "manually cleaned" based on "intact" imaged particles. This sounds very unscientific. Can a more objective justification be described for what is being done to what?
Section 2.2.3 This section needs much more detail. A point of particular concern regards the validity and uncertainty related to the assumption stated in Xu et al (2022) that about the assumption lying behind the "mean" statement on l. 174 that "This is achieved by exploiting the assumption that the forward diffraction and the refraction − reflection energies are asymptotically equal. " First, it's worth considering the rant in Bohren and Clothiaux about how there is no refraction, reflection or diffraction -- only scattering and interference. The distinctions between the three are entirely artificial. But more importantly from a measurement standpoint, per Jarvinen et al (2023), the polar nephelometer only measures scattering at angles between 18 degrees and 170 degrees, which for any conceivable cloud particle encompasses quite a lot less than half the total scattered energy justifying a straightforward mean of forward and side/back scattering. Perhaps this all makes sense. I'm not sure I understand the need for a Legendre series expansion as described in Xu et al (2022). But at the very least, a full justification, with error analysis, should be presented of this measurement that is core to the article.
Table 1. The microphysical measurements presented appear implausible for what they would imply for the reflectivity based on the thin cloud expression given by Eq. 8. Taking the reported median microphysical values of 3 mg/m3 for the IWC, 37 um for the effective radius, the mean optical depth for a cloud 1 km thick would be 0.12. If, much more generously the cloud were 3 km thick, then it would be 0.36. From Eq. 8, this quite thick cirrus, taking g = 0.727, would have a reflectivity of 0.05. From the ground, such physically thick clouds would be barely visible. Mostly one would see blue sky. This seems implausible given cirrus are certainly very visible in the Arctic in satellite measurements, with reflectivities I would guess 10 times as high.
l. 412 to 421 This paragraph risks being a bit misleading as global climate models are dynamic. It could well be that a value of g that is too high means a low bias in reflectivity with substantial instantaneous radiative forcing impacts. But there is a feedback. With less reflected, more sunlight is transmitted, which by heating the ground could destabilize the atmosphere to create more clouds, offsetting the low reflection bias that is discussed here.