Articles | Volume 26, issue 17
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-26-12771-2026
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Capturing and explaining the effects of three-dimensional radiative transfer on cloud evolution with the dynamic TenStream solver
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AR by Richard Maier on behalf of the Authors (30 Aug 2026)
This manuscript couples the dynamic TenStream 3D radiative transfer solver to the PALM large-eddy simulation model and investigates how 3D versus 1D radiative transfer treatments affect shallow cumulus cloud field evolution over a full diurnal cycle. It also serves as an online validation of the dynamic TenStream solver against the original, more expensive TenStream implementation. The manuscript provides a number of novel and significant insights including:
Separately from the physical insights provided by the manuscript, this work also includes validation of the dynamic TenStream solver against the original version:
Below are some suggestions to improve this already strong manuscript.
Manuscript organization
The manuscript tackles two objectives: (1) to validate the performance of the dynamic TenStream solver against the original, higher-fidelity TenStream solver in an online setting and (2) to discuss how 3D versus 1D treatments of radiation impact cloud field statistics of shallow cumulus. While there are some subtle lessons about the cloud field to be learned from the differences between the dynamic and original TenStream solvers (i.e. lingering surface enhancements in the dynamic version), for the most part these two objectives appear separate. It would benefit the reader for the authors to treat them as such, particularly within sections 3.2 and 3.3. Subsections might help here.
Emphasis of novel results
Several of the manuscript's most interesting results could be given greater prominence.
This work demonstrates for the first time that radiatively driven cloud streets can develop with 3D RT under realistic diurnal conditions, clearly distinguishing it from prior work by Jakub and Mayer (2017) in which solar zenith angle was kept fixed. The manuscript would benefit from better highlighting this result.
This reader is fascinated by the result that for higher cloud cover days, cloud coverage for simulations with a 1D treatment of radiation is higher than in simulations with a 3D treatment of radiation (supported by the results of Tijhuis et al. 2024). Why might this be? Further discussion would be greatly appreciated.
The manuscript shows that longwave 3D RT impacts the surface energy budget via reduced thermal emission, propagating into increased surface latent heat fluxes. This higher moisture flux into the atmosphere from the surface is hypothesized by the authors to partially explain the higher LWP in the 3D RT simulations. To this reviewer’s knowledge, this mechanism is novel in the literature and deserves greater focus. Do the authors believe it is equally significant to the mechanism whereby clouds in the 3D simulations are positioned over areas of enhanced net surface irradiance, strengthening rather than suppressing the associated updrafts? Can the two mechanisms be isolated to assess their relative importance? If computational resources allow, simulations with 3D RT for shortwave only and with 3D RT for longwave only would be of interest. Work from Veerman et al. 2022 and Tijhuis et al. 2024 suggests that the shortwave mechanism may be dominant as they see substantial LWP increases with 3D RT without longwave effects.
The differences in 3D versus 1D shortwave surface flux fields, as described at the start of section 3.3, are well documented in the literature. A briefer introduction of these concepts might allow the authors to place stronger emphasis on (a) the connection between surface flux heterogeneities and cloud field evolution (b) what the model artifacts of the dynamic TenStream solver and resulting cloud field differences can teach us about this mechanism.
Statistical rigor of dynamic TenStream validation
Dynamic TenStream and original TenStream solver differences should not be evaluated solely by comparing their differences with those between 1D and original TenStream; instead the authors should leverage their (modest) ensemble, asking if the observed differences are greater or less than the variability observed for original TenStream. Using additional ensemble members, if computationally feasible, would allow for a more statistically rigorous analysis of the signal to noise ratio of these differences. Is the top row of Figure 6 a useful and fair comparison for the performance of the dynamic TenStream model? Does it provide additional information beyond Figure 4?
General suggestions and questions
The authors should take care to distinguish between surface field lag artifacts of the dynamic TenStream solver and the physical displacement of cloud shadow from cloud root that occurs at moderate solar zenith angles in the original TenStream results (lines 415–420). The former is a solver artifact arising from incomplete solves; the latter is a real 3D radiative effect. The current text could more clearly distinguish between the two.
What is the surface heat capacity C₀ used in the PALM land surface model for this setup? If it is small, would the authors not expect a near-instantaneous response of the surface energy budget to changes in the radiative field (lines 425–435)?