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https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-25-9719-2025
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Extreme concentric gravity waves observed in the mesosphere and thermosphere regions over southern Brazil associated with fast-moving severe thunderstorms
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The paper "Extreme Concentric Gravity Waves Observed in the Mesosphere and Thermosphere Regions over Southern Brazil Associated with Fast-Moving Severe Thunderstorms" by Li et al. is a thorough and convincing study of gravity wave events observed by airglow imaging over Brazil. It is demonstrated that the gravity waves were likely excited by thunderstorms in the region. Fortunate propagation conditions allowed to observe full ring structures of the convective gravity waves in OH airglow images.
Overall, this study is very interesting and of relevance for the readership of ACP. The paper is well written, and the figures are of good quality. The paper is therefore recommended for publication in ACP after minor revisions.
For specific and technical comments see below.
SPECIFIC COMMENTS:
(1) l.41: You should add some more general references for convective gravity waves. For example, Fovell et al. (1992), or Piani et al. (2000):
Fovell, R., Durran, D., and Holton, J. R.:
Numerical simulations of convectively generated stratospheric gravity waves,
J. Atmos. Sci., 49, 1427-1442, 1992.
Piani, C., Durran, D., Alexander, M. J., and Holton, J. R.:
A Numerical Study of Three-Dimensional Gravity Waves Triggered by Deep Tropical Convection and Their Role in the Dynamics of the QBO,
J. Atmos. Sci., 57, 3689-3702, https://doi.org/10.1175/1520-0469(2000)057%3C3689:ansotd%3E2.0.co;2, 2000.
(2) l.42: For the jet/front source mechanisms please add the reference Plougonven and Zhang (2014):
Plougonven, R., and Zhang, F.:
Internal gravity waves from atmospheric jets and fronts,
Rev. Geophys., 52, 33-76, doi:10.1002/2012RG000419, 2014.
(3) l.58: You should mention that another method for determining the source location is backward ray tracing of gravity waves, which can also be performed for circular gravity wave patterns. An example is Ern et al. (2022):
Ern, M., Hoffmann, L., Rhode, S., and Preusse, P.:
The mesoscale gravity wave response to the 2022 Tonga volcanic eruption: AIRS and MLS satellite observations and source backtracing,
Geophysical Research Letters, 49, e2022GL098626, https://doi.org/10.1029/2022GL098626, 2022.
(4) l.121: Please provide a reference for the ABI-GOES instrument. For example:
Schmit, T. J., Gunshor, M. M., Menzel, W. P., Gurka, J. J., Li, J., and Bachmeier, A. S.:
Introducing the next-generation advanced baseline imager on GOES-R,
Bull. Am. Met. Soc., 86, 1079-1096, doi:10.1175/BAMS-86-8-1079, 2005.
(5) l.132, 133: The expression "image acquisition time" is somewhat misleading! AIRS is scanning repeatedly in the across-track direction taking footprints one-by-one. The AIRS data are then arranged into granules of 6min, each.
(6) Please provide references for the AIRS instrument! For example:
Aumann, H. H., et al.:
AIRS/AMSU/HSB on the Aqua mission: Design, science objective, data products, and processing systems,
IEEE Trans. Geosci. Remote Sens., 41, 253-264, 2003.
Chahine, M. T., et al.:
AIRS: Improving weather forecasting and providing new data on greenhouse gases,
Bull. Am. Met. Soc., 87, 911-926, doi:10.1175/BAMS-87-7-911, 2006.
(7) p.8: Please provide in Sect.2 also some information about the SABER instrument because also SABER data are used later in the manuscript.
(8) l.217: In Fig.4, upper row, there are also indications of 630nm wave structures that are superimposed on the OH signature that is highlighted by the yellow square. These wave fronts are perpendicular to the OH wave fronts. Similar findings in Fig.5. You should comment on this. Do you think these patterns are from a different wave?
(9) About Fig.4: The OH images and OI images were taken at almost the same time for demonstrating the contamination effect. Later in the manuscript you determine the time that the CGW takes to propagate from the OH altitude to the OI altitude to be around 1 hour. Therefore you should mention that some of the mismatches in the wave patterns shown in Fig.4 might be related to this.
(10) Fig.7: Suggest to replace the red text "large scale CGW" in the figure with just "large scale GW" because it is difficult to tell whether this would be part of a concentric GW pattern.
Even in the text you do not use the expression "CGW" for this wave pattern.
(11) Caption of Fig.11: Please state whether these images are from OH, or from OI.
(12) l.342: Please check! The double-peak structure is seen mainly during the second overpass in the 07:18:23 UT profile, but not so much during the first overpass.
(13) l.368, 369: Please state that the flux is calculated for the altitude of the OH layer.
(14) l.374: How does this momentum flux compare to average values determined from SABER satellite data? A climatology is given, for example, in Ern et al. (2018).
Ern, M., Trinh, Q. T., Preusse, P., Gille, J. C., Mlynczak, M. G., Russell III, J. M., and Riese, M.:
GRACILE: a comprehensive climatology of atmospheric gravity wave parameters based on satellite limb soundings,
Earth Syst. Sci. Data, 10, 857-892, https://doi.org/10.5194/essd-10-857-2018, 2018.
(15) l.387: The parameter alpha does not occur in Eq.(6), but only later in Eq.(7). Therefore the introduction of alpha should be moved there.
TECHNICAL COMMENTS:
l.18: CGWs -> concentric gravity waves (CGWs)
l.81: its role -> their role
l.250: Sumi -> Suomi
l.301-307: Same sentence appears twice. Delete one of them.
l.332: saber -> SABER
l.356: are expressed -> is expressed
l.358: is cancellation factor -> is a cancellation factor
l.417: can be -> and can be
l.475: for downloaded -> for download
l.479: delete "radiances data" (double occurence).
l.584: publication year of Heale et al. is 2022, not 2021.