Articles | Volume 25, issue 11
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-25-5837-2025
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Surface-observation-constrained high-frequency coal mine methane emissions in Shanxi, China, reveal more emissions than inventories, consistent with satellite inversion
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-1784', Anonymous Referee #1, 13 Jul 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Jason Cohen, 18 Sep 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-1784', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Dec 2024
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jason Cohen, 28 Jan 2025
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AR by Jason Cohen on behalf of the Authors (30 Jan 2025)
EF by Katja Gänger (10 Feb 2025)
Manuscript
EF by Katja Gänger (10 Feb 2025)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (05 Mar 2025) by Eduardo Landulfo
ED: Publish as is (12 Mar 2025) by Eduardo Landulfo
AR by Jason Cohen on behalf of the Authors (20 Mar 2025)
Manuscript
The reviewer finds the manuscript hard to read and understand, due to the confusion in the terms used, the vague model description for emission estimation, and poor English in the manuscript.
1. Confusing terms used in the manuscript.
A) CH4
In equations (1), (2) and (3), CH4 represents methane concentration with the unit of ppm, while the in the main part of the manuscript, CH4 just means methane in English. This creates unnecessary confusion for readers.
B) CH4 emissions
Why one term “CH4 emissions” is assigned to two different variables, one in the unit of ppm/min (ECH4) , and another one in the unit of kg/h (E’CH4), and ECH4 has never been clearly defined in the manuscript: is it the methane concentration change over time at the certain point? Or average methane concentration changer over time over a controlled volume? This is the first time that the reviewer has seen such a term is used to define emissions. Please define parameters with their actual physical meaning.
C) Temporal frequency
Why a frequency has a unit of minute? Should it be hertz (event per time) (Lines 136, 143)
2. The Mass Conserving Model of Measured CMM and the 2-Box model
First, the model or models used to estimate methane emissions from one or multiples coal mines are not well described. The reviewer is expecting the following information to be clearly stated in the model:
A) Is the model dealing with one coal mine or multiple coal mines?
B) Is the coal mine emission treated as point source or area source?
C) Are the methane emissions from the coal mine considered stable or not?
D) What is the control volume that the model is applying?
E) What are the boundary conditions and initial conditions if transit process is considered?
A scientific description of a mechanism physical transport model should include the following contents:
A) Control volume: the physical region where the model is applying. In the case of this paper, are we considering 3-dimensional box covering multiple coal mines and monitoring points with a height of boundary layer? An illustrative figure will help the readers and authors too.
B) Key assumptions of the model (3-dimension transport or one-dimension only? Transit or stable?) which will lead to
C) Control equations base on mass balance and simplified by key assumptions
D) Boundary equations and initial conditions
Secondly, the model itself is questionable. Since the model is not clearly defined in the manuscript, the reviewer cannot assess it accordingly. But in principle, the changes in methane concentration (ppm/min) downwind of a coal mine should be contributed to:
1) Variation of coal mine methane emission rates (not the absolute emission rate, but the changes)
2) Changes in wind speed and direction (again, not the absolute value)
3) Noise created by the instrument itself.
In other words, the changes in methane concentration (ppm/min) at a certain downwind point is not related to the absolute methane emission rate (kg/h) upwind, how can we estimate the methane emission rate (kg/h) from the downwind methane concentration change (ppm/min)?
Consider an extreme ideal scenario: a coal mine emits 1000 kg/hr as a points source, the wind is precisely eastward at constant speed of 1 m/s. The instrument downwind measures the true in-situ methane concentration without any noise. In this case, we will observe constant methane concentration with 0 methane concentration changes, and lead to 0 methane emission rate from the model described in the current manuscript, which does not make sense.
If a model cannot deal with simple scenarios, it cannot treat the complex situation when transit process is considered.
3. Language and logical issues in the manuscript
A) Lines 40, 41: CH4 emission estimates are highly uncertain in both space and time (Brandt et 41 al., 2014; Saunois et al., 2020b).
When people talk about the spatial and temporal variability of oil gas emissions, they are referring to the real emissions, not the emission estimates.
B) Lines 40-45: For these reasons, new approaches to quantify, reduce uncertainty, and attribute CH4 emissions are necessary and can provide support for policies aiming to control and mitigate 45 CMM (Cao, 2017).
New approaches are necessary not because the emissions change with time and location, nor the fat tail distribution. It is because we need more accurate and economical tools.
C) Line 54: Uncertainties are rarely assessed holistically or in detail (Cohen and Prinn, 2011; Cohen and Wang, 2014).
Be careful to make such a claim. Almost all methane measurement papers have one section addressing and reporting their measurement uncertainties.
D) Line 55: Airborne remote sensing is a highly technical and costly approach to record CH4 fluxes from...
Where does the claim on “costly” come from? Actually, aerial approach has been widely employed due to its relative low cost comparing to other approaches. It will definitely less expensive to deploy than the method described in the current manuscript.
E) Lines 61, 62: … but only after being calibrated by upward looking remotely sensed measurements…
Aren’t almost all instruments need to be calibrated before adoption?
F) Lines 73-74: This work employs a high-frequency surface-based observation platform of CH4 concentration, which is portable, economical, and unaffected by most environmental factors
What is the proof for “economical”? Do not make any claims that you cannot support.
G) Lines 78-79: Continuous 79 observations were made around known coal mines, unknown sources, and of background conditions.
Delete “of”?
H) Lines 80-90: High-frequency emissions calculated using these data were used to drive a 2-box model to attribute 81 emissions to the known mine and a second low production mine previously thought insignificant.
The model used the data to derive … not the data is used to derive the model.
Please revise.
I) Lines 86-89. While the authors are talking about Changzi basin, why do we claim “province-wide” background are high?
J) Line 92: Observations were positioned along concentric…
Should be “instruments” be positioned, not observations
There are so many similar issues in the manuscript, and the reviewer will stop here at Page 5. The reviewer recommends having somebody proofread the English in the manuscript.