Articles | Volume 25, issue 22
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-25-16533-2025
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Organic aerosols mixing across the tropopause and its implication for anthropogenic pollution of the UTLS
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AR by Alexander Vogel on behalf of the Authors (29 Oct 2025)
This manuscript presents results from aerosol filter samples taken at various altitudes that were then analyzed for organic compounds using chromatography followed by orbitrap MS. The mass spectrometer had sufficient resolution to identify atomic formulas. There was both a broad analysis for unknown compounds and a targeted analysis for a few compounds of interest, such as PFAs. These are some of the first measurements with this level of analytical detail of organic aerosol at high altitudes.
The manuscript is interesting and well written. I suggest some revisions:
1) The science issue that I see is the discussion near line 330 of the low oxidation state in the stratosphere. This is surprising, considering the long residence time in the stratosphere and that most of the organic aerosols there came through the upper troposphere, so in order to be less oxidized in the stratosphere they would need to be react, in an oxidizing environment, to reduce the O:C ratio. It is not impossible but surprising and I think unlikely. If true it is important. As correctly cited, Benoit et al. saw the same thing with a similar technique to this manuscript. However, Appel et al. 2022 (cited, but only for sulfate) found the exact opposite result with an aerosol mass spectrometer (AMS). They measured very high O:C ratios in the stratosphere, higher than the troposphere. An “f44” of about 0.28 (Appel et al, Figure 11) corresponds to an O:C atomic ratio greater than 1 (Aiken et al., EST, 2008). There is a similar discrepancy for H:C (Appel et al. and Ng et al., ACP, 2011). The stratospheric Appel et al. data on figure 5 in this manuscript would be almost at the embedded pie charts. Conference presentations of AMS data from the ATom mission agree with Appel et al. (https://espoarchive.nasa.gov/archive/browse/atom/DC8/AMS-60s). Either the AMS is drastically overestimating O:C or the UHPLC/electrospray is drastically underestimating it. Do highly oxidized compounds make it through your column? You don’t have to solve the comparison to AMS in this manuscript, but it should be acknowledged better.
There is some confusion about the Esler et al. reference. It is mostly about high OH concentrations in mixed tropospheric and stratospheric air rather than the concentrations in one or the other. More generally, relative (mixing ratio) OH concentrations are higher in the stratosphere than in the troposphere; absolute (cm-3) concentrations are lower in the stratosphere just because of air density. The diffusion coefficient of OH is higher in the stratosphere than the troposphere, again because of air density. The overall impact on oxidation rate is complex, but the long residence time in the stratosphere implies a lot of opportunity for oxidation.
2) I would like to see a little more discussion of the analytical methods for those with moderate expertise. What would you tell somebody who was an expert in a related field, maybe something like gas-phase atmospheric mass spectrometry, about the strengths and weaknesses of your technique? For example, are there certain classes of compounds where the blanks are significant and other classes where they are insignificant? What classes of compounds might be missed by the ionization method? Another example is my question above about how well highly oxidized compounds make it through the chromatography column. This doesn’t have to have a huge amount of detail, just some major points.
3) Could you add a table or other information on a handful of the most abundant compounds? I agree we don’t want massive lists. But for example, is there one organosulfate (glycolic acid sulfate, IEPOX sulfate, or ?) that is sometimes more abundant, and what it is its concentration? Oxalic acid has been identified as a small but significant (a few %) of aerosol organics in some remote environments. Is it measurable? Maybe a table of the two or three most abundant compounds in each major category (like CHOn, CHOS, not necessarily every category) and how they varied between samples.
4) I found some of the colors on Figure 4 and subsequent figure impossible to associate with the legend. I cannot tell for sure which one is CHOa, CHN, or CHNO. CHOP and CHOS can be distinguished when the bars or slices are big but not when they are small. I’d suggest using hatching on some of the categories to help distinguish them. It would also help if the legend were in the same order as the bars: why is CHN right above CHOn in the bars but at the other side of the legend? Or am I mixing up the colors?
5) Very minor: Line 349 and following “Level 2”, etc. is not defined. Figure 5, please specify atomic or mass O:C. Line 231 about sulfate versus altitude a better reference would be Wilson et al., 2008, www.atmos-chem-phys.net/8/6617/2008/. Line 29 the 50% organic fraction only applies just above the tropopause.