Articles | Volume 24, issue 9
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-24-5369-2024
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Opinion: New directions in atmospheric research offered by research infrastructures combined with open and data-intensive science
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1423', Oksana Tarasova, 16 Aug 2023
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The paper “New directions in atmospheric research offered by research infrastructures combined with open and data-intensive science” provides useful view on the future of the atmospheric research. The paper contains a lot of information and in its current form it rather looks like a comprehensive review than an opinion. It will take a reader 25 pages of reading until the authors go to the point.
I would suggest that the author shorten the paper by at least 30% , which still would allow to make a point about future research approaches. In particular, this applies to the references and description of the infrastructures where the whole paragraphs are just copied from the referred publications.
I find the authors opinion interesting, though it would be useful to have authors opinion on two points which are currently not reflected in section 5. The first one: currently the performance of scientists is judged by a number of publications they produce. Within the envisioned new research environment, the research will be done as a collective one. This diminishes the role of the individual researcher and the current evaluation framework by publication number (as in the envisioned research environment the summaries can be easily generated by AI). The second question is related to the role of innovation (e.g. regarding analytical methods or measurement techniques and instruments) within the highly standardized reserach environment.
It would be useful if the authors reflect on these points in the next revision of the paper.
General note on the use of language: the sentences are too long, and the idea is often get lost before one reads to the end. It would be magnificent if authors use more concise language.
Additional comments:
Line 22: the term “variability” may be a bit better than “periodicity”
Line 31: “which evolve from”; it is not clear from what opportunities evolve as you do not provide initial state of affairs. Maybe it would be better to use another works here, like “emerge”
Line 32: what do you mean with “emerging service ecosystem”
Line 44: “economic processes in the Earth system” – economic processes refer to human society rather than to the Earth system
Line 50: GCOS is a co-sponsored programe of WMO, IOC-UNESCO, UNEP and International Science Council
Line 55-56: do you consider vertical profile measurement as ground based or as in situ?
Line 62-66: lots of repetitions here
Line 67: actually the threats are posed to humanity rather than to the planet
Line 94-94: I would disagree with the comparison with astronomy infrastructure. Unlike astronomy, environmental infrastructure has an immediate value for multiple applications, including climate services for mitigation and adaptation, health and agriculture applications, hence this poses different requirements for timeliness of data availability.
Line 120-126: it is not clear what point you are trying to make in this paragraph
Line 146-151: not clear what the relevance of this paragraph to this paper
Line 154: air quality is a part of atmospheric composition
Line 170-176: another paragraph of repetitions
Line 187-190: the name of infrastructures should be spelled out here, rather than later in the text (lines 205-210)
Line 189: I was under impression that ACTRIS also recently became ERIC
Line 203: it is not necessary to spell out the title of the book, reference would be sufficient
Line 214: “in providing” (“in” is missing)
Figure one: the name of the phenomena is “sand and dust storms” not “desert storms”
Table one: “aerosol particles” – use either of the words, not both
Comma is missing after O3 in IAGOS section (Table 1)
Line 237: what do you mean with “research infrastructure process”?
Line 240-241: “Before the consolidation phase, data have been locked in silos and were poorly standardised over decades, hampering scientific progress severely” – I disagree with this statement as it diminishes the role of the programmes like the Global Atmosphere Watch
Line 251: “periodicity in the presence of” is better to reformulate as “variability in atmospheric levels/burdens of”
Line 259-296: what are you trying to demonstrate with the presented three examples?
Line 277: “Data which were collected before ICOS measurement protocols were put in place, have been secured physically”. Could you please explain this statement? Most of ICOS atmospheric data are part of GAW and those data were and are achieved in the World Data Center for Greenhouse Gases supported by Japan
Line 286: the referred “latest assessment” is 5 years old. Are there updates on this publication?
Line 299-300: could you please clarify the statement “Trends are detectable in the data, possible only due to collection of data with consistent quality and operating procedures over long time periods.”
Line 319: ICOS is a regional network
Line 322: “which investigates the processes” – who investigate the processes?
Line 323: what do you meant with “controlled atmospheres”?
Line 331: the chemical species are also interacting with each other
Figure 4: I disagree with the proposed adjustment of the figure as it completely changes its sense. The original figure was designed to resent a limited set of key climate indicators and each box includes only one variable, while the added box includes tens of variables disturbing the intended meaning. I would suggest to remove this figure from the paper.
Line 346: “this approach” – which one?
Line 348: could you please provide the source for the definition of “essential variable”. Is it introduced by the authors of the paper?
Line 353: where does this number of 12 application areas come from. There are 10 application areas under atmospheric domain as one can see in the OSCAR database https://space.oscar.wmo.int/applicationareas
Line 379: OSCAR is a database, not a table
Table 2a: is the word “distribution” missing in the “aerosol number and size”? In GAW most of the ozone depleting substances are included under greenhouse gases
Table 2b: GCOS does none use volume mixing ratio for ozone variables. The correct variable is mole fraction
Line 405: please use either upper air or upper atmosphere, not both
Figure 5: typo at the end of the first line (“to;” is not needed)
Line 419: I guess “hundreds of stations” applies to temperature observations as this is not the case for greenhouse gases
Line 430: the term “validation” is not used in the Paris agreement
Line 444: what do you mean with “organised the implementation of the FAIR principles”. The principles can be applied to something, rather implemented
Line 448: “FAIR enabling resources need to be implemented” – resources cab be used, rather than implemented
Line 459-468: is this paragraph needed?
Line 468: “composed of” or use another word instead of “composed”
Line 487: how satellite and modelling data re integrated in this cloud?
Line 496: could you please address the risks of the data misuse and misinterpretation by citizens without appropriate background? Training platforms cannot substitute years of professional education.
Line 497: please spell out SMEs
Line 501: could you please use another word for “uses”
Line 505: please spell out abbreviations here, it reads like a lot of slang
Line 515: “metadata catalogue to access information from the RI of interest”
Line 517: “composability” -please clarify
Line 533: “on the use of license on data”
Line 578-579: “for machines, knowledge recorded in scientific articles is not accessible” – this is incorrect and the text below referring to the AI had been used for this purpose. Later in the text (line 599) the authors refer to the publication of the scientific papers, which according to the initial statement would be a waste of resources