Articles | Volume 24, issue 3
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-24-2033-2024
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Moist bias in the Pacific upper troposphere and lower stratosphere (UTLS) in climate models affects regional circulation patterns
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2196', Anonymous Referee #1, 29 Oct 2023
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Felix Ploeger, 07 Dec 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2196', Anonymous Referee #2, 09 Nov 2023
- AC3: 'Reply on RC2', Felix Ploeger, 07 Dec 2023
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2196', Anonymous Referee #3, 04 Dec 2023
- AC2: 'Reply on RC3', Felix Ploeger, 07 Dec 2023
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AR by Felix Ploeger on behalf of the Authors (07 Dec 2023)
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ED: Publish subject to technical corrections (23 Dec 2023) by Peter Haynes
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AR by Felix Ploeger on behalf of the Authors (06 Jan 2024)
This is an interesting work finding an interpretation and a remedy to one of the serious known limitations of climate models. The manuscript is well written and I have only a limited number of minor comments and questions to be considered by the authors.
Solomon et al. (2010) wrote that variations of lower stratospheric water vapour may account for up to 30 % of the greenhouse gases modification of the radiative budget on a decadal scale. They do not write that they account for 30 % of the total variation since 1850 as suggested by the sentence on lines 13-14 in the manuscript. Please correct to avoid such confusion.
It is quite clear that the excessive numerical diffusivity of the CMIP6 models should be related to their spatial resolution and their transport scheme, which display large differences among the ensemble. It is quite frustrating that they are here all put in the same bag without any attempt to draw a distinction. For instance, it would be very interesting to know whether it is the horizontal rather than the vertical resolution that matters as very different choices have been made among the ensemble. In terms of horizontal resolution, the T42 resolution f the EMAC used here put is at the lower end of the CMIP6 ensemble but its vertical resolution puts it at the upper end. This is perhaps an answer to the above question as fig.1 shows it does much worse than the CMIP6 mean although what probably matters is not the total number of levels but the number of those which span the UTLS, a parameter which is badly documented.
My main concern is about the figures and their readability. Black contours and labels on dark blue and red are hardly visible and readable. This is not good on the screen and it is terrible on a printed version. This needs to be improved. There is no reason to use a divergent color map to show water vapour in fig2(a-c). The two first rows of fig.2 show redondantly PV and U on panels which are overcrowded. Please reorganise these two rows to show only 3 variables in each panel. In figs 1 and 2, some quantities (wind, temperature) would be better displayed as differences between EMAC-ClaMS and EMAC. Adding a grid would overload the figures but ticks can be put on the upper and right sides of the figures to improve readability. In figure 3, I do not think that the temperature gradient contours are very useful, and they have no labels and there is no indication of contour intervals in the caption. I would prefer to have some contours for the quantities displayed in color as it is almost impossible to read the values from the color map (or choose a better indexed color map).
It is very hard to appreciate from the first two rows of fig. 2 that the isentropic PV gradient is strengthened around the tropopopause and whether vapour contours are following or not the PV structure, although it is quite clear from the third row.
Figure 3 shows that the zonal wind incease it shifted by 30°E with respect to the water vapour anomaly. So the temperature drop should also be shifted which means that the response to the water vapour is not the simple local process advocated in the manuscript but involves also transport and delay.
It should be noted that the differences between EMAC and EMAC-CLaMs are much smaller than those between ERA5 and EMAC except perhaps for the PV in the lower stratosphere. In this respect it would be useful to see the curves for EMAC and EMAC-ClaMS in fig.4 (c-d) to appreciate the improvement in regard to the current dispersion and bias of the models.
The manuscript is not totally clear about the effect on the monsoon circulation. It is indicated that the equatorward branch is broadened and strengthened on the eastern side but this is not a mechanism which by itself is able to modify the closed monsoon circulation as dicussed in section 3 since this modification is correlated to its internal PV budget.
I am unsure the proper way to refer to ERA5 data is a link to Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.