Articles | Volume 24, issue 3
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-24-1939-2024
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How well are aerosol–cloud interactions represented in climate models? – Part 1: Understanding the sulfate aerosol production from the 2014–15 Holuhraun eruption
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This paper describes an interesting analysis of the SO2-to-sulfate oxidation in models relative to those inferred from observations after the Holuhraun eruption. The paper shows that gas-phase oxidation rates in the models are all slower than the observed rates, which is an important result. The main result of the study is presented in Figure 6. However, I have a few concerns about this figure, as detailed below in my major comments below. Most importantly, I am not convinced that a robust separation between gas- and aqueous-phase oxidation is possible based on the available observation data, mostly for two reasons: 1) the mono- and bi-exponential fits are very similar, and it is not so clear that the bi-exponential fit is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the mono-exponential fit; 2) the attribution of the two e-folding times obtained by the fit to gas- and aqueous-phase oxidation seems quite a stretch. I think this interpretation needs independent support before the paper can be published. A few other points also need to be addressed, as outlined below.
Major:
The trajectory analysis is somewhat problematic. First of all, how are the 27 members of the trajectory ensembles (line 174) different from each other? This is not explained in the text. Second, all EMEP stations are located in the atmospheric boundary layer, where air mass trajectories are not well representing the properties of the flow, due to turbulence. This will likely affect the quality of the attribution of events to Holuhraun (or not). Third, the definition of “vicinity” of the Holuhraun eruption is highly subjective. Depending, e.g., on the transport time and distance, trajectory errors will likely be very much case-dependent, and a single “vicinity area” might not be appropriate for all cases (e.g., stations closer to Holuhraun will have a greater chance of hitting the defined vicinity area.
The comparison between models and IASI data is not fully convincing. It seems model output is shown irrespective of whether IASI retrievals are available for a location or not. IASI retrievals can easily miss volcanic SO2, e.g., underneath clouds. Thus, models should only be sampled in pixels where IASI SO2 retrievals are actually made. The authors write that models often have larger plume areas than the IASI retrievals, which can be attributed to clouds affecting IASI. Still, it appears that many models actually have often smaller plume areas than IASI. This would even be worse when cloud screening is applied.
Figure 5: Since the conversion rate of SO2 to sulfate is shown to be uncertain, I am wondering why Figure 5 does not also show a comparison for total sulphur (SO2 + sulfate). This should provide the most robust comparison between the models and the observations.
Figure 6: This is the core result of the paper and quite interesting. However, I am not at all convinced that the bi-exponential fit is any better than the mono-exponential fit. That the bi-exponential fit is better (line 417) is a trivial result. But is it really SIGNIFICANTLY better? The two e-folding times obtained are interpreted as gas-phase and aqueous-phase e-folding times. But I am concerned that the fit is not stable enough to reliably distinguish between the two. Furthermore, how do you know which e-folding time is which? The data per se do not give any information on the two processes, but the authors immediately jump to the conclusion that these are gas- and aqueous phase e-folding times. What is the evidence for this?
Figure 6: The aqueous-phase oxidation occurs only in clouds, so is a single e-folding time even appropriate to characterize this oxidation? This must be highly variable, depending on the time the SO2 spends in a cloud.
Figure 6: All events are exclusively attributed to Holuhraun. However, there are likely always (perhaps minor) contributions from other sources. How might these affect the results, especially far away from the volcano, where SO2/sulfate ratios are low and even relatively small anthropogenic SO2 emissions could affect the ratio substantially.
Line 435: A modelled event is considered successful if both SO2 and sulfate concentrations are within a factor 5 of the observations. Doesn’t this introduce a bias in the analysis? You show that modelled oxidation rates are too slow – in this case one would expect the model to often substantially overestimate observed SO2 concentrations. But large overestimations would be substantially removed from the analysis, which would lead to biased results.
Minor:
Line 161 and Table 2: Why are ERA-Interim reanalyses used? These are superseded since quite a few years already by ERA5 reanalyses with better resolution, and which should have better quality!
Lines 279-280: How do you know that varying IASI SO2 burdens are due to changing IASI retrieval coverage and plumes passing in and out of the region, and not due to variations in emission flux? I don’t think there is good enough data to prove that the emission flux was really constant.
Lines 370-371: Why is a poor performance of concentration ratios expected? The two species are not simulated independently, so a plume in one species should always correlate with a plume in the other species.
Table 3: Why does OsloCTM3 not have the data required for filling Table 3? This should be basic model output (SO2 concentration fields) that is also needed for all other analyses?
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