Articles | Volume 24, issue 19
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-24-11285-2024
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Effect of secondary ice production processes on the simulation of ice pellets using the Predicted Particle Properties microphysics scheme
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- Final revised paper (published on 10 Oct 2024)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-594', Anonymous Referee #1, 28 Mar 2024
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-594', Heather Reeves, 25 Apr 2024
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EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-594', Odran Sourdeval, 17 May 2024
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Review of “Effect of Secondary Ice Production Processes on the Simulation of ice pellets using the Predicted Particle Properties microphysics scheme” by Lachapelle et al.
The authors of this manuscript examined the effect of secondary ice production (SIP) processes on the simulation of ice pellets using an NWP model with a double moment bulk microphysical scheme (P3). Both Hallett-Mossop (HM) and fragmentation of freezing drops (FFD) processes are examined. It is found that adding HM or FFD would significantly improve the simulation of ice pellets for this specific case (both full simulation and 1D idealized simulation). I enjoyed reading this manuscript which is well written, and the results are clearly presented. I made several suggestions below that may help.
Main comments:
L134-136: I believe that the modification of the default HM parameterization in P3 should not be a major obstacle to examine the combined effect of HM and FFD. The interaction between HM and FFD could be quite complex and sensitive to how both HM and FFD are parameterized, which could be a continued study on it alone. Nevertheless, I think it would be worth mentioning in the manuscript about this complexity which warrants further studies.
L137-138/L428-429: the default HM parameterization in P3 scheme with a threshold of 4000 µm for the mean-mass D of ice particles seems extremely large, e.g. some graupels could be much smaller than 4000 µm. Some of the previous studies have disregarded this threshold or using a smaller one. Would it be possible to test different thresholds which might have significant impacts on the results?
L432-433: the maximum number allowed (2×106 m-3) for ice number concentration seems quite small. In situ data suggests that much larger values are possible even without counting those ice particles smaller than ~50 µm. As SIP will produce a large amount of tiny ice splinters, the number concentration might peak locally at a high value. Although the exact maximum value is arguable, 2×106 m-3 seems definitively too low. This means some large Ni will be automatically clipped at this lower value and the total Ni is therefore reduced. I’m wondering if the author tested other thresholds and whether the results are significantly different.
L169: could the authors describe more about the simulation results of using more than 2 ice categories? My understanding is that with more ice categories, the different sizes of ice particles should be better represented. Although for many reasons, such as our limited knowledge of SIP, etc. a better physical model might not produce better prediction results. I believe more discussion on this would be helpful.
Figure 3-5: it seems the best results from nCat2_FFD_MOD still overestimated the period of freezing rain compared to the observation, particularly for UQAM-PK. Might this suggest that current SIP rate in this study is not fast enough to convert liquid into ice?
Fig. B1: nice results from the 1D simulation which illustrates well the impact of modifying the FFD process (section 2.3), e.g. rime ice with similar size to raindrops + much smaller ice crystals!
Other comments:
Fig. B2d: the ice cat 2 (orange line) is missing.