Articles | Volume 23, issue 12
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-23-6923-2023
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A simple model to assess the impact of gravity waves on ice-crystal populations in the tropical tropopause layer
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- Final revised paper (published on 22 Jun 2023)
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AR by Milena Corcos on behalf of the Authors (23 May 2023)
Manuscript
This manuscript describes a model of in-situ ice nucleation in cold cirrus clouds and applies that model to cirrus using temperature fluctuations from long-duration high-altitude balloon flights.
The manuscript is mostly correct but needs a change in emphasis to focus more on what is new rather than what is already well described in the literature. I also feel that the analysis stops just when it starts getting interesting.
Much of the manuscript is about comparing the case with temperature fluctuations with a case with constant, slow ascent. It is already well described in the literature that a constant, slow ascent is unrealistic. This manuscript cites some of the relevant literature for cirrus clouds. In addition to that, there is a similar literature for polar stratospheric clouds that goes even further back (for example, Bacmeister et al., 1999). This paper may not need to cite that PSC literature. Instead, I mention it to show just how well-known it is that temperature fluctuations control the formation of ice at low temperatures.
So what is new in this manuscript? Except for some fixable issues mentioned below, the model itself does not look that much better or worse than the models in, for example, the Jensen or Murphy papers that are already cited. There are new temperature histories based on balloon data, whereas much of the older literature used more synthetic temperature histories based on assumed gravity waves or power spectra.
What this manuscript needs to do in order to be novel is to compare not only to a constant cooling case (which should be a quick mention, not a major focus), but also to a variety of wave cases. Some questions are:
- How do the fluctuations from the balloon data compare with the earlier literature? Is there something special about the observed waves for ice nucleation and growth, or is any old fluctuation with a standard deviation of 1.5K food enough?
- Could you run your model with fluctuations from some of the earlier literature? That would separate the effect of temperature fluctuations from the effect of the details of the model.
- What happens with different amplitudes of waves?
- How do your “wave” cases compare to earlier literature with waves?
- Have you run just one model case, or have you run ensembles of your model using different subsets of the observed temperature fluctuations?
You don’t have to pursue all of these questions, but at I think that pursuing at least some of them is necessary to have strong paper.
Fixable model issues:
- The 15 meter vertical resolution is almost certainly too coarse. You should run with a finer resolution and see if the results change.
- I’m not sure that it is appropriate to filter the data to remove temperature fluctuations faster than 15 minutes. From Figure 5 an aerosol that freezes can significantly change its diameter in 15 minutes. Once the ice crystals are 5 or 10 microns fast fluctuations don’t matter much, but for the crucial growth from a freezing particle up to 1 or 2 microns fast fluctuations may matter.
You should run a case with faster fluctuations. From the manuscript line 84 the data may be valid to about 5 minutes – why not run a 5 minute filter and compare that to a 15 minute filter.
Specific comments:
- line 32: This isn’t stated quite right. It is the competition between homogeneous and heterogeneous freezing that is highly sensitive to cooling rate.
- line 109: The manuscript cites Jensen and Toon (1994) for the assumption of using a monomodal aerosol, but that paper was for constant cooling rates. A distribution of sizes can become more important when there are temperature fluctuations.
- line 362: The comment about reasons for dehydration above the tropopause is interesting.
- Figure 2: The cooling rate is only meaningful if the averaging time is specified. Given the power spectrum of atmospheric temperature fluctuations, shorter intervals have higher cooling rates. This figure cannot be interpreted without more information.