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Inter-annual, seasonal and diurnal features of the cloud liquid water path over the land surface and various water bodies in Northern Europe as obtained from the satellite observations by the SEVIRI instrument in 2011–2017
Abstract. Liquid water path (LWP) is one of the most important cloud parameters. The knowledge on LWP is critical for many studies including global and regional climate modelling, weather forecasting, modelling of hydrological cycle and interactions between different components of the climate system: the atmosphere, the hydrosphere, and the land surface. Satellite observations by the SEVIRI and AVHRR instruments have already provided the evidences of the systematic difference between the LWP values derived over the land surface and over the Baltic Sea and major lakes in Northern Europe during both cold and warm seasons. The goal of the present study is to analyse the phenomenon of the LWP horizontal inhomogeneities in the vicinity of various water bodies in Northern Europe making focus on the temporal and spatial variation of LWP. The objects of investigation are water bodies and water areas located in Northern Europe which are different in size and other characteristics: Gulf of Finland, Gulf of Riga, the Neva River bay, lakes Ladoga, Onega, Peipus, Pihkva, Ilmen, and Saimaa. The input data are the LWP values of pure liquid-phase clouds derived from the space-borne observations by the SEVIRI instrument in 2011–2017 during daytime. The study revealed that in general the mean values of the land-sea LWP gradient are positive during all seasons (larger values over land, smaller values over water surface). However, the negative gradients were also detected over several relatively small water bodies during cold (winter) season. The important finding is the positive trend of the land-sea LWP gradient detected within the time period 2011–2017. The analysis of intra-seasonal features revealed special conditions on the territory of the Gulf of Finland where in June and July large and moderate positive LWP gradients prevail over negative ones while in August positive and negative gradients are much smaller (in terms of absolute values) and occur with equal frequency. This result can lead to the conclusion about possible common physical mechanisms that drive the land-sea LWP difference in the Baltic Sea region at small distances from the coastline. The diurnal cycle of the LWP land-sea gradient has been detected in June and July while there was no evidence for it in August. For several specific cases, atmospheric parameters over the mesoscale domain comprising Gulf of Finland and several lakes have been simulated with the numerical model ICON in limited area and weather prediction mode. These simulations have clearly demonstrated the LWP land-sea gradient and have pointed out less stability of the atmosphere over land surfaces.
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RC1: 'Comment on acp-2021-387', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Oct 2021
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Nov 2021
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://acp.copernicus.org/preprints/acp-2021-387/acp-2021-387-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC3: 'Reply on RC1', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Apr 2022
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://acp.copernicus.org/preprints/acp-2021-387/acp-2021-387-AC3-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Nov 2021
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AC2: 'Comment on acp-2021-387', Vladimir Kostsov, 03 Feb 2022
Short comment from the authors.
As a contribution to the open discussion of the present manuscript, we would like to attract attention to the new preprint published recently in AMTD:
Kostsov, V., Ionov, D., and Kniffka, A.: Retrieval of the land-sea contrast of cloud liquid water path by applying a physical inversion algorithm to combined zenith and off-zenith ground-based microwave measurements, Atmos. Meas. Tech. Discuss. [preprint], https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2021-415, in review, 2022.
This preprint has direct relevance to the existing submission since it describes the ground-based measurements of the LWP land-sea contrast in the Neva Bay of the Gulf of Finland – one of the regions considered in the ACPD manuscript under discussion.
In this AMTD preprint, the LWP land-sea contrast detected by the SEVERI instrument in the Neva Bay is compared to the results of the ground-based microwave observations and a good agreement for June and July has been found.
As far as the so-called “August anomaly” detected by SEVIRI is concerned, there is still no confirmation of this effect by the ground-based microwave measurements. The term “August anomaly” is used in our present manuscript to identify the absence of the LWP gradient in August in contrast to June and July. It should be emphasised that this "August anomaly" is strictly limited to the Gulf of Finland and it is one of the main findings of the study under discussion.
Vladimir Kostsov, on behalf of all authors
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-2021-387-AC2 -
RC2: 'Comment on acp-2021-387', Anonymous Referee #2, 22 Feb 2022
Review of “Inter-annual, seasonal and diurnal features of the cloud liquid water path over the land surface and various water bodies in Northern Europe as obtained from the satellite observations by the SEVIRI instrument in 2011-2017” by Kostsov et al.
This manuscript focuses on the variability of the LWP gradient by seasons and by the horizontal scale of lakes. Obviously, the variability depends on the dynamic and thermodynamic states around the lakes (oceans). It is impossible to avoid the analysis of the boundary layer structure and comparison of the characteristic length-scale of the circulation and the scale of lakes. Linear-theory will support you to explain the observed phenomena. However, the authors did not mention the dynamical aspect of the meso-scale circulation in the introduction section at all and slightly looked at the ICON simulations. Since the corresponding author already documented several papers about the land-ocean contrast, and hence, it is about time to analyze dynamics in addition to the statistical analyses. Therefore, my recommendation is reject.
The authors can easily find some past researches on the meso-scale circulation related to the land-ocean contrast as follows. Please review in detail.Hadi et al., (2000)
Tropical Sea-breeze Circulation and Related Atmospheric Phenomena Observed with L-band Boundary Layer Radar in Indonesia,
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jmsj1965/78/2/78_2_123/_articleNiino (1987)
The Linear Theory of Land and Sea Breeze Circulation,
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jmsj1965/65/6/65_6_901/_article/-char/enYan and Anthes (1987)
The Effect of Latitude on the Sea Breeze
https://doi.org/10.1175/1520-0493(1987)115<0936:TEOLOT>2.0.CO;2Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-2021-387-RC2 -
AC4: 'Reply on RC2', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Apr 2022
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://acp.copernicus.org/preprints/acp-2021-387/acp-2021-387-AC4-supplement.pdf
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AC4: 'Reply on RC2', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Apr 2022
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EC1: 'Comment on acp-2021-387', Timothy Garrett, 22 Feb 2022
Dear Dr. Kostov,
Many apologies for the delays in the editorial handling and review process.
The Reviewers mention some substantial criticisms of the manuscript that I look forward to being addressed in a point-by-point fashion following ACP guidelines. I will particularly hope to see extension of the relevant datsets where justified as suggested by Reviewer 1 and discussion of the relevant dynamics as suggested by Reviewer 2.
Best regards,
Tim Garrett
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-2021-387-EC1
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on acp-2021-387', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Oct 2021
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Nov 2021
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://acp.copernicus.org/preprints/acp-2021-387/acp-2021-387-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC3: 'Reply on RC1', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Apr 2022
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://acp.copernicus.org/preprints/acp-2021-387/acp-2021-387-AC3-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Nov 2021
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AC2: 'Comment on acp-2021-387', Vladimir Kostsov, 03 Feb 2022
Short comment from the authors.
As a contribution to the open discussion of the present manuscript, we would like to attract attention to the new preprint published recently in AMTD:
Kostsov, V., Ionov, D., and Kniffka, A.: Retrieval of the land-sea contrast of cloud liquid water path by applying a physical inversion algorithm to combined zenith and off-zenith ground-based microwave measurements, Atmos. Meas. Tech. Discuss. [preprint], https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2021-415, in review, 2022.
This preprint has direct relevance to the existing submission since it describes the ground-based measurements of the LWP land-sea contrast in the Neva Bay of the Gulf of Finland – one of the regions considered in the ACPD manuscript under discussion.
In this AMTD preprint, the LWP land-sea contrast detected by the SEVERI instrument in the Neva Bay is compared to the results of the ground-based microwave observations and a good agreement for June and July has been found.
As far as the so-called “August anomaly” detected by SEVIRI is concerned, there is still no confirmation of this effect by the ground-based microwave measurements. The term “August anomaly” is used in our present manuscript to identify the absence of the LWP gradient in August in contrast to June and July. It should be emphasised that this "August anomaly" is strictly limited to the Gulf of Finland and it is one of the main findings of the study under discussion.
Vladimir Kostsov, on behalf of all authors
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-2021-387-AC2 -
RC2: 'Comment on acp-2021-387', Anonymous Referee #2, 22 Feb 2022
Review of “Inter-annual, seasonal and diurnal features of the cloud liquid water path over the land surface and various water bodies in Northern Europe as obtained from the satellite observations by the SEVIRI instrument in 2011-2017” by Kostsov et al.
This manuscript focuses on the variability of the LWP gradient by seasons and by the horizontal scale of lakes. Obviously, the variability depends on the dynamic and thermodynamic states around the lakes (oceans). It is impossible to avoid the analysis of the boundary layer structure and comparison of the characteristic length-scale of the circulation and the scale of lakes. Linear-theory will support you to explain the observed phenomena. However, the authors did not mention the dynamical aspect of the meso-scale circulation in the introduction section at all and slightly looked at the ICON simulations. Since the corresponding author already documented several papers about the land-ocean contrast, and hence, it is about time to analyze dynamics in addition to the statistical analyses. Therefore, my recommendation is reject.
The authors can easily find some past researches on the meso-scale circulation related to the land-ocean contrast as follows. Please review in detail.Hadi et al., (2000)
Tropical Sea-breeze Circulation and Related Atmospheric Phenomena Observed with L-band Boundary Layer Radar in Indonesia,
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jmsj1965/78/2/78_2_123/_articleNiino (1987)
The Linear Theory of Land and Sea Breeze Circulation,
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jmsj1965/65/6/65_6_901/_article/-char/enYan and Anthes (1987)
The Effect of Latitude on the Sea Breeze
https://doi.org/10.1175/1520-0493(1987)115<0936:TEOLOT>2.0.CO;2Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-2021-387-RC2 -
AC4: 'Reply on RC2', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Apr 2022
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://acp.copernicus.org/preprints/acp-2021-387/acp-2021-387-AC4-supplement.pdf
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AC4: 'Reply on RC2', Vladimir Kostsov, 08 Apr 2022
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EC1: 'Comment on acp-2021-387', Timothy Garrett, 22 Feb 2022
Dear Dr. Kostov,
Many apologies for the delays in the editorial handling and review process.
The Reviewers mention some substantial criticisms of the manuscript that I look forward to being addressed in a point-by-point fashion following ACP guidelines. I will particularly hope to see extension of the relevant datsets where justified as suggested by Reviewer 1 and discussion of the relevant dynamics as suggested by Reviewer 2.
Best regards,
Tim Garrett
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-2021-387-EC1
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