Articles | Volume 25, issue 12
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-25-6325-2025
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Phase matrix characterization of long-range-transported Saharan dust using multiwavelength-polarized polar imaging nephelometry
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AR by Daniel Perez-Ramirez on behalf of the Authors (14 Mar 2025)
I congratulate the authors for this nice work. Nevertheless, I am a bit surprised that the authors has not considered our previous works on this subject that could help them to improve their paper and to correct some flaws.
Firstly, there are no error bars on the scattering measurements (errors bars could be large for polarization). Thus, what are the accuracy measurements? Considering them could totally change the analysis.
Line 63 : For the size distribution, the authors could consider the measurements from balloon-borne aerosol counter inside a Saharan dust plume : Renard, J.-B.; Dulac, F.; Durand, P.; Bourgeois, Q.; Denjean, C.; Vignelles, D.; Couté, B.; Jeannot, M.; Verdier, N.; Mallet, M. In situ measurements of desert dust particles above the western Mediterranean Sea with the balloon-borne Light Optical Aerosol Counter/sizer (LOAC) during the ChArMEx campaign of summer 2013. Atmos. Chem. Phys. 2018, 18, 3677-3699.
Line 74: The authors have forgotten to consider the effect of the size distribution of the particles. Scattering properties (including polarization) are sensitive to the size of the particles, even for mineral dust, as shown by our team :
Renard, J.-B., Hadamcik, R., Woms, J.-C. The laboratory PROGRA2 database to interpret the linear polarization and brightness phase curves of light scattered by solid particles in clouds and layers, Journal of Quantitative Spectroscopy and Radiatif Transfer, volume 320, July 2024, 108980
Renard, J.-B.; Françis, M.; Hadamcik, H.; Daugeron, D.; Couté, B.; Gaubicher, B.; Jeannot, Scattering properties of sand. 2. Results for sands from different origins, Applied Optics, 49, N°18, 3552-3559, 2010.
Lines 78-82: Why the large database of PROGRA2 (https://www.icare.univ-lille.fr/progra2-en/?noredirect=en_US) that contains such laboratory measurements is not cited?
Part 2.2.1. If I well understand, the instrument retrieves the light scattering parameter from a cloud of particles, without size selection. Thus, if the authors want to make comparison between different sessions of measurement in different conditions, they must be sure that the size distributions are the same. Otherwise, they will observe a combination of size distributions, refractive indexes, and even porosities of the grains and the agglomerates. The authors must explain how these different parameters influence their measurements and their analysis.
The authors must consider some aerodynamic effects that can orient the particles during their motion in the instrument, and also the particles' speed. Such parameter can change the polarization results, as shown by our team : Daugeron, D.; Renard, J.-B.; Gaubicher, B.; Couté, B.; Hadamcik, E.; Gensdarmes, F.; Basso, G.; Fournier, C. Scattering properties of sands, 1. Comparison between different techniques of measurements, Applied Optics, 45, 8331-8337, 2006.
Figures 6, 7 and 9, and in text : The negative polarization at the large angles for the blue domain only is strange, and perhaps suspicious. Such high negative values were never observed in laboratory (and even in space) for randomly oriented compact irregular particles. More strangely, such phenomenon does not occur at the other wavelengths. The authors must explain the origin off such negative values (that in fact are almost impossible for such large dust particles). I suspect an instrumental error like a stray light contamination not accurately removed, a too log signal to noise ratio ....
Line 389: The wavelength effect was largely studied in the PROGRA2 data base and largely published by our team.
Line 465: Aging can produce more compact particles, but it is difficult to call them “spherical”.
Line 485: This analysis could be inaccurate. Other effects than the sphericity of the particles must be considered (size, refractive index, porosity). The presence of “spherical particles” do not change significantly the shape of the light scattering curves (of course, only a medium composed of perfect spheres can change the shape of the curve).
Figure 11: Yellow dots are difficult to see.
Line 620: Do they authors have also considered the super-coarse mode of particles ? Keep in mind that the largest particles are the most luminous, and thus can dominate the scattered (polarized) intensities.
Figure 12: Negative polarization down to -0.4 are unrealistic for dust sample, unless the size distribution is dominated by submicron particles without large ones.