Articles | Volume 25, issue 22
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-25-15683-2025
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Missing wintertime methane emissions from New York City related to combustion
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- Final revised paper (published on 17 Nov 2025)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-345', Anonymous Referee #1, 10 Apr 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-345', Anonymous Referee #2, 28 May 2025
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EC1: 'Methane release from consumption', Thomas Karl, 06 Jun 2025
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The authors present multiple years of measured CH4 and CO concentrations from New York City, and combine the results with Lagrangian model output to infer emissions for both species. They compare the derived fluxes with inventory predictions and draw conclusions regarding patterns of variability and drivers of emissions.
The topic is well-suited to ACP and the findings are broad interest. I have listed comments below that I feel should be addressed prior to its publication.
Scientific comments
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A general question has to do with spatial representativeness. It seems likely that the inventories being examined have biases that vary in space, whereas the results from this particular rooftop are discussed as reflecting the NYCMA. How can we assess the representativeness of these findings? For example, does the inferred emission disparity for a given inventory vary with wind direction?
Abstract: “The estimates of methane emissions correlated with those of carbon monoxide (CO) emissions, determined from coincident measurements, suggesting a common city-scale incomplete combustion source for both methane and CO.” And line 554, “The afternoon observation-informed methane and CO emissions rates for the NYCMA were well correlated over our study period (Fig. 6c, R2 = 0.59). Unlike the observed ΔCH4:ΔCO comparison in Sec. 3.1, this relationship between methane and CO emissions accounted for variability in atmospheric transport.”
But to what degree could this correlation reflect footprint effects? E.g., if there is more developed infrastructure in upwind direction A than B, we would expect both CO and CH4 to be enhanced when winds are from A and not when winds are from B. This could drive a correlation that doesn’t necessarily reflect a mechanistic source connection. Can you test the reasoning here using your model simulations? Your inventories segregate emissions by sector. So one can track the modeled CH4 and CO concentrations at the receptor that arise from different source sectors. If the reasoning above is sound, then we would not see a correlation between the modeled CO concentrations and the modeled non-combustion CH4 concentrations.
Lines 449-456: I am not totally sold by the reasoning in this section, in two respects. First, “Accounting for the varying atmospheric transport and mixing throughout the study period, which drives nearly all variability in the simulated ΔCH4, we found that meteorology only explained 30%–43% of the variability in observed ΔCH4, depending on inventory comparison, based on the calculated R2 between the observed ΔCH4 and simulated ΔCH4”. To me, “meteorology” as used in this context implies dilution/ventilation/mixing effects. But there is also the fact that changing wind directions also change the portion of the city that is being sampled. So the wording should be more precise here.
Second, based on the argument that the variability in simulated concentrations is entirely due to transport effects, and the fact that the model and observations correlate to ~ R2 0.3-0.43, the authors infer that meteorology explains 30-43% of the variability in the CH4 observations. Since the models correlate more strongly with CO, the authors then posit that “Therefore, methane emissions vary more than CO emissions on a 10-day time scale.” But the footprint issue is relevant here as well. For example, if the spatial distribution of CO emissions in the inventories were accurate, and the spatial distribution for CH4 was not, then the model-measurement correlation for CO will be higher than for CH4, independent of any potential temporal variability.
Lines 110-120: separation of local-scale vs. city-scale influences. Hours with SD(CO) < 200 ppb will still be influenced by (albeit slightly smaller) local sources. It seems that the threshold choice here is fairly arbitrary. I recommend including a sensitivity analysis varying this threshold to demonstrate (hopefully) that the specific choice does not have a major effect on the findings.
Line 281: “Interaction between the surface flux and atmospheric mole fraction (the surface influence) happens when particles are present within the lower half of the mixing layer.”
Same comment, this choice is also somewhat arbitrary. I have no objection to the particular choice, and I think it is a standard value used in STILT work. But can we demonstrate what the impact of this assumption is via the sensitivity analyses?
Eq. 3. I agree that we expect the relative concentration disparity to correspond to the relative emission disparity. But you also have a nice opportunity to demonstrate that to the reader rather than just asserting it… i.e. if you scale emissions by X do your HRRR-STILT concentrations at the receptor increase by the same factor X?
Line 483: “Since there was no diurnal variability in the inventory methane emissions, the diurnal variability in the simulated ΔCH4 was entirely due to changes in the surface influence footprint (i.e., transport meteorology) throughout the day. The differences in the variability between the observed ΔCH4 and simulated ΔCH4 were therefore due to changes in the methane emissions which were not included in the inventory”
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Line 595: “The consistent difference between the afternoon and 24-hour emission rates suggests a diurnal cycle in emissions, which is well-known for CO emissions (traffic, human activity), but had not been, to our knowledge, previously inferred for urban methane emissions.”
Couldn’t a diurnally-dependent bias in the model met fields also be a plausible way to explain this? It seems likely that this occurs at least to some extent.
Technical comments
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Line 33: grammar, “highlighting the importance of accurately quantify”
Line 38: awkward, “identified atmospheric methane greater than expected”
Line 58: suggest “reduced THE ESTIMATED methane emissions
Lines 135-140: was this a simple boxcar average or something else?
Lines 167-169: I find the wording here confusing. Do you just mean you don’t average the same time period twice when computing averages? Please clarify wording
487: “When tested for …” this sentence is not very clear as written, can it be clarified?