Articles | Volume 25, issue 19
https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-25-12753-2025
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A dynamics-based separation of deep and shallow stratospheric circulation branches
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AR by Rasul Baikhadzhaev on behalf of the Authors (09 Aug 2025)
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This paper uses reanalysis data primarily ERA-5 data to determine if stratospheric circulation branches may be defined based on wave-forcing. Three science questions are posed: (1) Can different branches in the stratospheric circulation be dynamically defined based on the wave driving? (2) Did different branches of the stratospheric circulation change differently over the past decades? (3) How robust is the representation of the circulation structure and its changes in different reanalyses? Results identify two robust branches: a deep branch predominantly driven by waves with wavenumbers 1 to 3 and a shallow branch predominantly driven by waves with wavenumbers 4 to 180. Results also find a long-term trend in these branches.
My main issue is that the paper performed the calculations based on a definition of atmospheric waves solely in terms of wavenumber. This paper quantifies the contributions of atmospheric waves on these deep and shallow circulation branches. The waves are separated based on their wavenumbers. There’s a category of waves comprising those with wavenumbers 1 to 3 and another for waves with wavenumber 4 to 180. There is no mention of phase and periodicities. Taking this approach, the paper doesn’t properly decompose the dynamical variables into real physical atmospheric wave phenomena. Hence, there is questionable physical meaning/significance to the results.
The deep and shallow circulation branches that are reported in the introduction seem to allude to winter circulation. Hence, a proper analysis should’ve focused on real physical planetary-scale waves (e.g. wave-1 VS wave-2 and/or Stationary vs travelling waves) that are known to occur when these branches form. The analysis should have involved processing daily reanalysis data. The paper actually doesn’t clearly state how the problematic decompositions are made. Some sections indicate the decomposition was done on monthly-means which isn’t sufficient. Either way, defining waves solely in terms of wavenumber was a major flaw. Consequently, the analysis of long-term changes are rendered wrong. Owing to this, I cannot recommend this paper for publication. I suggest the authors take guidance from papers like Yasui et al [2021] and Koval et al [2023] on how to properly quantify the role of atmospheric waves on any middle atmospheric phenomena. You’ll see all of them properly acknowledging different kinds of physical planetary-scale waves (e.g. Rossby waves, kelvin waves, etc).
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References:
Koval, A. V., Toptunova, O. N., Motsakov, M. A., Didenko, K. A., Ermakova, T. S., Gavrilov, N. M., & Rozanov, E. V. (2023). Numerical modelling of relative contribution of planetary waves to the atmospheric circulation. Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, 23(7), 4105-4114.
Yasui, R., Sato, K., & Miyoshi, Y. (2021). Roles of Rossby waves, Rossby–gravity waves, and gravity waves generated in the middle atmosphere for interhemispheric coupling. Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, 78(12), 3867-3888.