Review of the revised version of “Active thermokarst regions contain rich sources of ice nucleating particles” by Barry et al.
The revised version improved much by rearrangement of different sections, and overall increased much in its readability. Generally, many improvements I suggesed were made.
But I still have a concern about bold statements about TKLs (thermokarst lakes) and other surface sources contributing strongly to atmospheric INPs, as I do not see this statement rooted in the data. I urge the editor to see for herself, to make sure that my claims are not unjustified. Therefore, I selected "major revisions", although "major" does not mean that much needs to be changed, but rather that the statements need to be in line with the data.
Therefore, please find another review, already much shorter. Please consider these points. As long as bold statements are made which are not supported by the data, I cannot agree to publication. But I also acknowledge that in the end, this is going to be the responsibility of the editor.
Major remarks:
Lines 13-14: “Recent work has shown permafrost is a rich source of ice nucleating particles (INPs) that can initiate ice formation in supercooled liquid clouds.”
Please try to find a formulation which makes clear that the second part of the sentence after “that” relates to INPs (and not to INPs from permafrost).
Line 16 & lines 21-22: “where thermokarst processes are active and relate to INPs in the air” & “potential important links of sources to the atmosphere”
Particularly based on the PCA, but also differences in heat lability, both statements are not supported by your data and need to be revised.
Lines 22-23: “a positive relationship found with total organic carbon considering all water bodies gives a mechanism for future parameterization”
The relationship was found, but you also say that it is weaker for some sample types than for others. Also, emissions will depend on emission processes which in turn may depend on e.g., windspeed. Overall, this statement may exaggerate the usefulness of the relationship you show, and should be tuned down.
Figure 4 and related text: Besides for a few datapoints at temperatures below ~ -22°C, up- and downwind-data only vary within the measurement uncertainty (which, if I understand it correctly, only includes uncertainty due to Poisson distribution, but no other measurement related uncertainties).
This is in gross contradiction to something you state later, in line 227 “Permafrost sampled at different core depths showed similar INP concentrations (Fig. S5)”. The variation here was by one order of magnitude or more, occasionally exceeding the indicated measurement uncertainty. And all in all, the variation was similar or more than what was mostly observed for up- and downwind of the TKLs. Yet here you argue that concentrations were independent of depth. And I agree with the argument here, but that shows again that it is strange to argue that TKEs were found to increase INP concentrations.
In that respect, the following two sentences will need revision or a weakening of the statements made:
Line 180: “We conclude that TKLs can generate INPs, ...”
Line 186: “This analysis provides evidence for water bodies as potential vessels for transporting INPs to the air under wind stress”
Line 324: “Water bodies have the potential to transfer INPs”
Based on all above, reformulate, e.g., to “There may be a potential for water bodies to transfer INPs”
Line 324-325: “since they were enhanced in the aerosol downwind of TKLs in all three cases measured”
As argued above, this statement exaggerates what the data show and needs revision.
Line 327: “and so the enhancement from TKLs”
Bring this in line to the revised formulation of the previous sentence.
Lines 332-333: “Most of the aerosol INPs likely originated from a mixture of sources from separation on PC2 but spanning the range of source samples on PC1.”
State more clearly, that PCA clearly separated the atmospheric samples from all others.
Minor remarks:
Lines 171-172: “The highest values were found downwind of TKLs,” There was really only a high value for one TKE, as far as I can see ("6"). Revise sentence!
Line 172: “(Figs. 3-4)”: Concerning INP concentrations from aerosol samples, you give an average of 4.4 x 10^-2 at -15°C (see SI, Tab. S1). Samples presented in Fig. 4 seem to be at that average. Therefore, Fig. 4 does not show cases with high concentrations. Do not refer to Fig. 4 here.
Line 201: “(Fig. S1)”: What should I see in Fig. S1 in relation to this sentence? Better delete this link!
Line 210-211: “(but most variable)”: Maybe not all INP-spectra from KTLs can be seen, but Fig. S3 rather implies that sea water varies much more! - But then, there were also more seawater samples, or is this a wrong impression? Anyway: This remark here is a) wrong and b) does not add any important information. I suggest deletion.
Line 234: “its suspension”: It is unclear how you arrive at this factor 50 later in the sentence. Do you assume here that all water is sprayed into aerosol particles? Please describe how that “suspension” can be envisioned, so that the reader can follow your argument here.
Line 266: “and heat sensitivity”: Do you mean “and differences in heat sensitivity"?
Figure 8: Add that UW and DW stand for upwind and downwind.
Line 306: “increased homogeneity”: Shouldn't that be "decreased homogeneity” or “increased heterogeneity"? |